E131: Black Christmas (2006) | Spoiler Review & Discussion

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When's the first time you saw this movie? I mean I probably two thousand and nineteen, twenty eighteen. And you didn't like it then? No, not really. I Sasman. When it came out, I was ten years old, and at the time I thought it was all right. It fell into the same type of category as prom Night and when a stranger calls that remake Friday thirteenth, you know, my buddy Valentine three D, that's our shit. Yeah, it's our shit. So going back this time around, I thought for sure I was gonna enjoy it even more because I still can go back and watch any of those movies I just listed have a great time. I can't believe how awful this movie is. So yeah, I actually have the opposite. I liked it more than I remembered. I mean, it's still not a great film by any means. I don't know what it was. It was like actually making me mad. I don't know if it's because I watched it. I watched the original, and I watched the remake immediately after. I watched the original yesterday and that one in this one today. Yeah, I don't know if it was because of coming off the original and I'm like, wow, this is not even close. Or maybe I was just in a good mood. I don't know, but I liked it more than I did last. I also there was something in the back of my head the whole time. I saw a Twitter feed the other day that said, you know, am I crazy but this is a hot take, but I think the remake of Black Christmas is better than the original, and the replies to it a lot were agreeing. Those people need to stop. It's not better than your. Yeah, it's not even it's not even close. Yeah, it's not even close. No, yeah, I don't know. But that now, I was like, man, I don't think that. I knew that they were wrong, you know when they said that, like, obviously the original is better, I do that. Yeah, I was like, oh, maybe the remake is better than I remember, because again I didn't. I didn't mind it. Okay, I've probably have been seen in probably ten years. It's been a while, like to actually sit and watch it, pay attention, not look away, not look at my phone, you know, to actually sit in folks the whole time. It's probably been like ten years. So I had that thread in my mind, and now that I've just watched it again, I'm like, you are fucking delusional. You are delusional. Of course, if that's your opinion, it's your opinions whatever. But I just oh man, I thought it was horrible. I think this truly of that that decade of remakes from two thousand and twenty ten. I think this is the worst one. I think it's by a landslide. This is dis well, you could it's just as bad as as Halloween's up there too, for the same reason that it is like disrespectful to the original, Like it is so shitty. I could see that. I could. I could. I can get behind what you're saying there. I can understand where you're coming from if you feel if you feel that you need an apology, I'm sorry that you never mind. Uh Yeah, It's definitely not a good movie by any means. Yeah, but I enjoyed it the thing. You know why, So Halloween gets a little bit of a pass because it shouldn't. In my opinion, I don't think it should get a pass. I think it's also do dooo. But Halloween one gets a pass because, yes, it is re making John Carpenter's image. But it was very intentionally going a different direction, and it knew what it was kind of doing. And I think Bob, Sir Zombie was really put on a leash with how far you could go with it. It's like, you can be different, but let's recreate this scene. Let's make sure we get it in there. Make sure we get the head tilted, make sure we get this should we get the sheet in there. And I think that just kind of they put him on a creative leash and that made it tough for him. This the rink at Black Christmas isn't doing anything different. The only thing it does is add lore. It adds lore and that mid two thousands. Gore. Yeah, and the man sex and but that's. That's the thing. Dude. Like Roy Moore, he's literally like on interviews has said they they intentionally Bob Clark, like they went and intentionally wrote sex and nudity out the original Black Christmas because they wanted those characters to have depth to them. They wanted people to watch it and be like, those are real humans, Those are real sorority girls. They're not just random slutty characters, bitchy characters that we threw in there to be a stereotypical slasher film. Nope, fuck that. In the remake, these are gonna be soulless assholes. Yeah, it's kind of like they said, Hey, everything that they crossed off the list. Let's let's uncross it off. Let's do yeah for real, Like, Hey, we're not gonna We're not gonna be gory at all. We're not gonna be goryed on. In the original film, We're gonna let the audience interpret it and you fill in the blanks. Oh. In the remake, we're gonna show you eyeballs over and over and over again. Why why are the eyeballs there? What is the There's a theme there. There has to be something in Glenn Morgan written, directed by Glen Morgan, by the way, there has to be something Glen Morgan's had where it's like, what do those eyes represent? Seeing the soul, seeing hidden. Beauty, seeing the inside of someone, the throat and stuff. The eyes are the window to the soul? Is that what it is? These are the eyes of a psychopath? So okay. And the thing is the reason it makes me even a little bit more mad is because every single person in this movie I like. I like Melissa the Trocktenberg fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Mary Laith Whitesaid is like one of my first crushes ever. I love her to death. She's She's shit in this movie character. I'm not that bad. She just her character just is gone. Yeah, she's also kind of a bitch a little bit. If you were in the scenario where your sisters were missing, because I want to know if I'm a bad person or not or a good person. Who knows. If you're in a scenario where your sisters are missing and you have the option to leave, get in the car and go, or stay, lock the doors and wait for your sisters to come back, what do you do Do I hate them. Your sisters hate them or not? Your family, sorority is your family. See, I was not in a fraternity or sorority, so I didn't get that bond there. I still don't know if i'd leaves. It's tough. I understand. They were really getting on her nerves. Yeah. They were all drinking, having a good time, some more drunk than others. Yeah Lauren. Yeah, by the way, I didn't realize Lauren was super drunk, and all of a sudden, she just throws up, you know, she was drunk. She just projectile vomits out of nowhere. Well, she was getting there. She was kind of slumped and then yeah, I tell you, I. Couldn't run into the bathroom or something. She hates those friends like that, there's puke right in the middle of the floor. Yeah, unbelievable, unbelievable. That happened once. Okay, if you're a car, so that's but I wasn't even drinking. That was literally I was sick the next day. Yeah, we hate Taco Bell go. Shouldn't happen. I missed that. I want it right now. I want to talk about right now. Sponsor. Sponsor. Yeah, I feel like it's kind of kind of shitty of her to leave. At that. I mean, her desk sucks too. Yeah, maybe if there was a little more like she hates. The holidays mhm, because because. Yeah, it was just kind of like, all right, I'm annoyed of you. I'm going home. I'm annoyed of the scenario. If it was more something like they kept pushing her and she hates the holidays and hate the holiday, and finally she's like, I'm just getting the fuck out of here because one I hate the holidays and two now shit's going down. Yeah, I would understand that a little bit more. I guess when the movie first started and they kind of gave you a little bit more, well, I don't. I hate the opening scene too, But when at first they show that all the characters, they kind of were giving a little bit more backstory than I thought the original did, and I was like, oh, cool, we're getting to know these characters, and I was kind of into that, and then it just immediately went to soulless, shitty characters. I mean, every single one of them sucks, which is crazy because I like Katie Cassie big Supernatural fan. I even like them that have an Elmtree remake. I don't even know yan K Crystal Low found Station three. Yeah, I mean Andrew Martin from the original getting her back in there. I mean I'll hate her. I think she's fine. Yeah, Miss mac shines again. Yeah, and that's it. I mean, Lacey is shub Air. I don't know a sa her name, but she's in every Hall Ofmark Christmas movie in the last twenty years. Like not exaggerating, she's in all. She's literally in Hot Frosty this year. It just came out. It's like one of the number It's in the top ten movies right now in Netflix. She's in it. It looks like shit, to be fair, But so to most of those those Christmas Allmark movies. Yeah, so, I don't know. It just feels like this cast could do something cool and they don't. As all. Maybe we should have focused on expanding their lore instead of expanding Billies. Well yeah, in the opening scene with Claire, I get what they're trying to do because they show her, they show the closet, they show the plastic bags there. They're like, ooh, you know it's coming, and then they just throw a curveball and it's her getting the bag over her head separately, and then it's hard cut to that red title car thing. I just. If you're I don't know, if you're gonna just kind of spin something on its head a little bit and try to fool the audience. I don't know. I just didn't like it. I just didn't like it. I don't know, I'm being an asshole on that one, all right, but but I just didn't I didn't feel it did. It did not have the impact. It felt like you were watching a very typical twenty fifteen, ten thousand dollars budget YouTube short film in that opening exactly so kind of hurt me a little bit. But then after all that, the part with this movie really just sucks. Is that They were like, we're going all in. We are going to show Billy, which again, Billy's never seen in the the original, not fully. You see his eyeball, his hand, that's it, right, a silhouette. And this one we're like, hey, he's got a liver disease. He's gonna have yellow skin the whole time and creepy eyes, like bloodshot eyes the whole time, and we're gonna establish this ridiculous backstory. Yeah, they went, they went a little too far. I'm I was all for it at the beginning. I was all for it for Okay, you know, he's he's different, he has this liver disease that gives him yellow skin, but his mom is a piece of shit and she hates him because of this liver disease. Like okay, chill, oh, okay. You know what would be a better kid than liver disease? And inbread one, well we'll get there, all right. Yeah. Yeah, and then having the dad that cares. I'm like, oh, I'm into this. I'm into this. And then once uh, you know, she kills her husband who she's cheating on, Yeah, with a dumb ass drunk who helps. Her kill the husband, right, yeah, yeah. I At first I was watching, I was like, oh wait, I see another foot there. I'm like, yeah, oh yeah, that's right. He helped he was there. Yeah, but yeah, then they are burying him up or down below the house. Yeah, in the under the deck where that power fuse boxes down there. Again, I'm on board still at this point, I was already out, but I hear you, I'm on board. I'm on board. And then they hear Billy creeping through the walls. He climbs up the wall, goes in the attic. They lock her up there. I'm in everything after that, not not for well, So. I said to you before we recorded this, I was like, I felt like watching those flashbacks every time. It was like we were watching a scene out of The Grinch? Is it? They went so. Over the top with it, Like yeah, though, I hate the fucking lighting in this movie. I hate it. I think it's awful, the flashing red and green lights the whole movie. They did it in every fucking scene. They did it. Yeah, every scene there was just flashing green, flashing red, flashing green, over and over again. It was driving me nuts, Like, I got it, it's Christmas I'm not forgetting. So that was super atadic right out of the Grinch. Then his mom's hair was always like spiked, like she's a fucking who. Like she she looked like she was a who the whole time with her hair all weird and pooped up. She's a hussy, I did, She's a hussy. It was killing me, So I just di. I hated the way it looked, I hated the way it felt, so just the flashbacks in general, the way they were shot. I didn't like then. I so they they established that they hate each other, the mom and dad hate each other, but the dad live loves Billy still mom doesn't. And I was cool with that. I was like, all right, parents will stick out a birth like that, sure. But then then kind of like skip ahead ten years and Billy's grown up a little bit and they're still doing the same circus here where it's hey, oh i'm gonna I'm gonna give stuff to Billy and you're not gonna mad about the whole time, like you've been doing that for ten years, You're keeping that going. It's weird to me that they still have a relationship at all at that point. So that didn't even make sense to me. And then yeah, then you got the affair and and the killing that Billy sees. And it's when I watched the kill count on this movie, and I thought James said it pointing something to help that was very accurate. Like this whole movie is just crawl spaces and eyeballs. Yeah, and I was like, oh, yeah, there are so many crawl spaces. They just love those tight spaces like that. And yeah, Billy climbs up that to get to the attic, which then he gets locked in there. And that's where I was confused by that immediately, because like, you locked the hatch, but he crawled up there. What about the giant holes in the wall? He can just get right back down he didn't want to it, which literally happened at the end of the movie, by the way, right, they go right back down in that crawl space. I was I was confused by that. But then after all that crap, after all the bullshit of those flashbacks, they are like, hey, you know what would be even better if the mom raped twelve year old Billy sick, which I get they're trying to just completely go all in and be graphic because the original does that in a moral the fucking way. And it's it's it's that mid two thousand's shock. Just that's what they were going for, and they hit it. I it was bad. It's kind of like the unrated cut of Halloween where they they rape the uh, the patient, where it's the two security guards with the patient. Yeah, and it's just you're like, this is completely unnecessary. Why is this here? You do not need this to make this point. I understand you want to hate that person so that Michael can kill him. We're all happy about it, but it is it is completely unnecessary and stupid. We already do hatter, we already do hate her, and in this. Case, Yeah, and I understand that it then creates Agnes, who is a killer in this movie, not just a potential character name in the original. But oh my god, I was what are we doing here? Yeah? Definitely unnecessary. Ten year old me didn't put all this together, Okay, And now that I am, I hate it. Yeah, it just it was not it was not necessary. It wasn't necessary. Yeah, just have her have another son with her boyfriend. Yeah, that's all you needed to do. Yeah, and even it could have then just been Billy killing the dad, that stepdad, and it didn't it didn't matter. I mean, they made the point like Billy reminded her of her husband, and she hated that. So why is she she's really that desperate to have a kid that. Yeah, so here's an idea, take his direct genetics and use his sperm. Just don't just don't write that in the movie. The plot doesn't make sense. No, I hate that you remind me of your father, So I want your sperm to make a kid. But she hated that, and she hated that. I thought she was infertile, and that was like the problem he was. Apparently he was. Every time you've had sex, he passes out. You couldn't get him to blow his load one time. I mean maybe he's you know, his sperm countlow. Whatever. I'm just saying, okay, insubordinate and turlish. How about you just right, I don't like it. Just just write it where you do have a kid with him. How about that? We still hate you? We still hate Oh. Yeah, plenty, dude, plenty. He just looking at her in this movie. She's she's a tough man. She's a hat heable character. So yeah, I don't it. Wow, Okay, And again just to remind her of what the original story that Bob Clark confirmed in a Black Christmas documentary. All it was Agnes was Billy's little sister. He killed his parents on Christmas Eve, locked up his little sister in the basement. She escaped, told the cops Billy gets put into a psyche cord. That was it. There was no inbred, no having said X with your kids, your twelve year old fucking kid. Unbelievable. Unbelievable dude. Then they cut. She like drops her her gown, you know, in front of him, and then the shar's rocking. I'm like, what are you doing? Oh my god. I just I'm all for shock value. I'm into that kind of stuff, not like gore shock value, but like crossing lines to get your audience attention and having villains win that kind of thing. I'm into that. I'm into taking chances. But just the whole way that it was shot and ridden, I just I couldn't buy it and I was struggling, man, No, that's all. Yeah. So yeah, and then also that's. Not why I hate this whole movie though, but that is that really like locked me into a bad place. Yeah. Then we cut to what ten years later? Then in the future. Now we're in ninety one, right, I think we're ninety one, and his pajamas grew with him, grew with Billy. They fit well, they fit, they fit, They're not super small. I feel like it would have been I would have loved this movie ten out of ten if his fucking shirt was the fucking crop top, because he didn't. Never got noo pajamas. Oh yeah, so he does end up killing h He kills the step dad with the what is it? What does he kill him with? He gets him through the eye with whatever that thing is gets him through the eye. Of course we get the goes through the eye ahead and you see the eyeball. Yeah, get eyeballs. Eyeballs in this movie. H what's he doing to mommy? Why don't I forget what he does in Mommy? Well, he finishes her off with a rolling pin, that's right. He's chokes her with the getting drags her body into the kitchen, and then beats her with the rolling pin. That's right. Yeah, and then he well they catch him, he rips Agnes's eyeball out. Yes, that was after they were yeah. Yeah, so. Yeah, that is a crazy cup. By the way, when she drops the gown, the chairs rocking, we all put together the fact that you know she she raped her son, but then okay, not get into the details here, but then it just hard cuts to a baby. Being born nine months later. I'm like, oh, wow, this is crazy. But yeah, that skip ahead again. Yeah, Agnes is older. Billy kills his parents and locks Agnus in the attic, right, that's it. Yeah, which brings me to my next point that I hate. Well, actually no, we did we see where he put Agnes, I don't think, But then we just cut to him eating the skin. The skin. I like that. See that's the kind of shock value I can get behind. Yeah, I'll take I'll take that lore, I'll take that any day of the week. Yeah. Uh that. That's one of the big twists on this story is Agnes, who is just a name in the original, is now a character who is also a killer in teaming up with Billy to kill the sorority girls, which Agnes has been there the whole time, the whole time, which I have problems with that from the get go, because who how did Agnes live? Like, why is Agnes alive? How was Agnes eating How did Agnes get a fake eye. From the dolls? From one of the dolls, I guess. She stuffed it in the fucking hole. Yeah, and she. Just never yeah, because remember they're like look and its two little eyes. Did she ever get medical assistance with that? I? Oh, probably not liked did end like she she went under. She went in the basement, lived in the fucking basement the whole time, the whole time. I guess maybe she was also in the attic. She was, she was also in the attic. She was able to climb all the way down and up. I just it's none of it makes sense to me. No, it's it's such a tremendous stretch. But it must have been just eating fucking raccoons or something. Again, dude, Black Christmas was every any day everywhere America. It was like real, like it could happen, which is the point of the urban legend. Yep. It was scaring babysitters that when you go babysitting, man, you never know who might be in the house, right like that. That was all there was, the urban legend, and then this yay, so they just try to do all this fun little twist on the story and it sucks, but just to make things worse in case you forgot about the whole Uh, who is the father of Agnes? I love the line my daddy's home wasn't that great? Let it put that in there. Yeah, I'm glad she found out. Uh huh, how did she find out? There's going to these points? And then okay, let's just take a step back here, going back to the lore of Billy. So he's been in a psych ward the criminally insane part of this psych word, and he's been there forever. Every year he tries to break out. They established that with the security guard designated to his door. Every year he tries to break out on Christmas and get home. Okay, then he gives the security guard a gift, which they established the door being held up by the milk carton with the Santa And I didn't really get that because it seemed like they closed it later. It wasn't him, it was earlier, right, So why why did did he go through that door? Still? Do they never remove that milk carton that whole time? I guess several questions where it was literally just for that suspenseful moment because it might be Billy that's coming up in the Santa suit. I don't know, uh, but yeah. Then he gives the security guard of gift says, I'll be home for Christmas, and he looks back in doesn't see him. The sinks ripped off the wall. Why do they let him decorate like that? Right? Is it just to keep him calms? They always let you do it? And then would you give a criminally insane patient a candy game? Because to me, it seems pretty obvious that you could sharpen it to a point. Does it not? Well? But also how you're really gonna use it as a weapon? You can how much damage is it really gonna do? Give me? I'll show you it's Yeah, you can absolutely sharpen it to a point like that. That's if you're gonna give me a candy gann you gotta give it a noodle. Circles. The circles are. Gonna bring just peppermint, a little mint. Yeah, just tape it up, Just tape it into a hook. You know, I'm down because otherwise situations like this happen. This is I guess. I guess it makes sense that he would have gone into the room to check the hole. But I just don't. I don't know. It makes me mad. I feel like, I mean, obviously it's a movie. I feel like in a real scenario, they would look through the hole and you're the only one there. Well, you're the only one in that hallway. You look through the hole, you see that there's a hole where the sink was that he could have climbed through. You. You call for fucking it, back up, shut down, lockdown. You don't go in there. You might go in there after the call, but right, yeah, and I wouldn't. I was thinking, you're because we were all thinking the same thing. When you want in there, he's under the bed, yeah, and all of us are the same thing. So obviously, whatever, I'm being nitpicky because I'm mad, that's all. That's just the anger coming out. All right, I'm being an asshole, but it's just because it's how mad this movie made me insubordinate. Let's talk about this some of the kills. Let's talk about some of the kills. This movie does score a little bit with kills here and there. Stepdaddy's death pretty good, uh AS's eye being ripped out pretty good? Yeah I didn't I thought Claire's death sucked, But insubordinate, But then we have kills like Heather's, Mary Lily's with Winstead's death where they go out. To the car. She's scraping off. Miss mack is scraping off the window, sees Billy's eye, which whatever, he's everywhere, that man's everywhere, sees his eye and then blood sprays on the windshields. We never actually see Maryly's with wind Set's death. But then Miss mac runs off to the side, it goes in the garage and an icicle falls on her and kills her. Yeah, fucking lame, lame. I don't accidental kills are pretty common in slasher film stuff like that, but really like an icicle falling off and she looks up and espec kind of it was a legacy character too. I just thought she desarve better. Well lega see cast member and character kind of but different people, right. Uh yeah, I just I don't know. I thought that was I thought that was dumb. I don't know. They do gore, but it's all the same, it's all this. It's eyeballs every time. Even with Lauren. Yeah, you don't see what happens to her really, although that was another scene with Agnes in bed with her and groping her goes on a little long. Yep. I was like yep, yeah, yep. I again, I was all for it to a point and then I'm like, okay, let's move this. Okay, let's move. This for it's kind of this is that kind of shit is what Terrifier is doing right now. It's just and I get people love terrifying. I'm not trying to be if you if that's your thing, that's your fetish, that's your fetish, all right, that's what you're gonna do with horror. Uh. There's a scene Terrifier three where it's a pretty cool kill scalping kill happening, and in the the background the whole time, there's so many masturbating with scissors and it just goes on a little too long. I've not I've not seen it. It was like the bedroom scene and Terrified too, Like it's cool, we're doing things that are really graphic and it's brought it's being taken horror, bringing to a mainstream It's not just taking horror, but it's taking slasher and brutal killings and bringing it to mainstream media, and it's making us look a little less weird, I guess as a or more weird. I guess more people might be judging the genre. I don't know. It's like, that's not all the horror movies, Okay, we have we have psychological thrillers too. Uh but yeah, it's part of it's cool. But I'm also like it's just a little too It's just a little unnecessary. So dark. It's like you don't you are Damian Leoni's making a point. He doesn't need to keep I don't know, keep making it. We got it. The point was made. It's brutal. Uh, that's kind of I thought about that, that groping scene. It's like we got yeah, we get it. Okay, we're still going we get we got it. Yeah, we got it. It took her a long time to react as well. Well then even she then she finally like woke up and was like oh oh oh, I'm like, well, yeah, we get it. This is this is another thing I was thinking too, because I think she has a justified reaction. Well yeah, eventually, yeah. I think she has a justified reaction. But also you would think, did she like assume who that is? Like you? Because sorority houses and the fucking things that happened in these places. You would think that would be like a drunk boyfriend or something who is getting out of line, right, I just she just she went for the kill pretty quick, which again probably justified reaction. I'm she's still drunk, so maybe she thought it was I don't know. She she just didn't even look. She didn't bother to see who it was. She just went for the kill. It's like, damn, must have just took the moaning and like, m that's the bitch on the phone. You know. It's pretty pretty intense reaction there, but fair enough justified. Yeah, it just took a long time for her one to wake up and two two do something about it. Yeah, I guess she's just drunk. I guess still. Yeah that from a filmmakerspective that you know, they just went a little time. If we could asshorten that scene up a little bit, you didn't need that extra forty seconds a run time. There, we got it, We got it. Where was I going with that? Of course her eyes are taken out, yep, yep, so both of them. I don't I guess the I the reason Agnes will remove eyes is because she lost an eye, she needs a new one. I don't understand why Billy does it because Billy's also is constantly hitting the eyes. Maybe that's his his fetish. I don't. I also want to talk about is it Eve? Is that her name? Yes? Eva, Eve, Eve agnew, Eve agnew great character. This was one of those and another one of those things where I'm like, you get the fuck away from the pen Bob, if you get that, if you get that joke. It was funny, but yeah, like get away, Like why it is so lazy? Yep, it is so lazy. So Eve is a random sorority girl who's meant to kind of like be She's the weird she's. The weird one. She's the sissy spasic of the group. Like that's what we're going with, sure, because it's so weird for her to give a gift to a sorority girl. We don't get, we don't get anything that's weird from her except she stands there with glasses on a hands to someone in present. He Hey, girls, yeah, you guys are like my family, and they're all like yeah, they're all super weird about it, which I don't know. Yeah, Like she's the she's the weird one. Yeah, she's the one that no one likes, but she's there. Yeah, and she gives a gift to Heather. Merlysus Win said, gives her a gift ends up being the freaking glass unicorn, and immediately is like, oh okay, so that's how we get a glass unicorn. Got a cool genius. So I hated that. But then they establish even this way intentionally editing in line with Agnes. So they cut from Agnes to Eve, hinting that that might be the same person. But then two scenes later her head falls out of a car and that's it, Like, what a waste if you're gonna do it, then continue to make us think the whole movie, just like Peter in the original, make us think the whole movie that might be Agnes exactly. Yeah again it's been a while since I've seen it. I'm like, oh shit, yeah, yeah, she's at Nope. And then they also give Eve this weird like they try to do more with it where they say, uh, Heather goes and it was like looking in her room and stuff, and Eve has some sort of obsession. Well it's it's Billy's room. Yeah, and she used newspaper. So it was the newspaper from ninety one. Yeah, when Billy was arrested in her room. So was she obsessed or was it Agnes putting the newspaper in the wall hole? I don't know. Well, we know that it's just weird that I guess. So she's happened to find newspaper in her room. I think that's it. I think that's what. Yeah, because the same newspaper was used to wrap the doll that Billy put out the tree to the sorority girls. Yeah, it's still Dumby of the way. Just what an absolutely stupid character and lazy writing. Correct. Then there's Lee, who is the sister to uh not Lauren, but Claire. Claire's sister shows up just she's replacing mister Harrison in this movie. She's showing up because Claire never showed her for Christmas twelve years older. Sister, got it. She ends up somehow be coming into the main character. I got. I guess, like mister Harrison making to the end there. Well, and she was she was a legacy for the sorority. She was in the sorority. She hated the house. Yeah, but she's only there for a year and she dropped out. She came late, left early. Yeah, she but but she. Has a connection. She's there to be like I was in this house once. It was creepy. Yeah, like it's always been creepy. Okay, yeah, but ends up coming down her and Katie, Cassidy and Kelly, and I hated her death to a Haley's death, like you go that whole movie with her. She's kind of established one of the final girls. That's cool. Actually, just hate the ending and oh my god, this movie sucks. It's honestly awful. I'm like, I'm really sorry. This feels like wrapped in red. I'm so mad at this. I just I just don't like this movie at all. Where do I even start with that? Well, so the ending was I was reading on you know, IMDb and Wikipedia and such, and I guess that it was originally written or it was the ending was supposed to be. Yeah, the ending was originally written where it was just yeah, just silent, like sort of like the original where it's open ended stuff like that. But the Winstein's they wanted more, so we got that whole hospital scene. It sucks. The hospital scene sucks. I don't remember if they made it to the hospital and then just like the phone rang at the hospital, or if it was just in the sorority house where the phone is ringing and leaving leaving it open ended again. I think that's what it was originally written, but Bob and Harvey Weinstein said, nope, we want more, We need. More, so trash ooo yeah, because you did end. They drop into the walls. They end up getting knocking them down there, both Agnes and Billy, and they have the tree that's on fire and they start on fire and it looks like they burn up and see you later. But then you're like, Okay, movie's over. And then they cut to the hospital and oh, here we go. So they they make it. They both go in the morgue because they're dead. The corners are also both fine. Both corners determine these people to be dead. Yeah, and suddenly they break out of their body begs. Yeah, and they go into the ceiling of the hospital. And know exactly which room there. Yeah, I know exactly which room to go in. And Agnes goes in kills Lee and then Agnes goes in, well, Agnes goes into the bed of Lee. Right, that's not what happens. Yeah, Agnes goes into the bed of Lee, or of of Kelly's, goes into Kelly's. Bed during the while she was getting tested on. Yeah, and Lee walks in and thinks to her, Yeah, okay. And then Kelly, when she gets back Agnes is in the ceiling, drops in and hits her with the tibrillator and yeah, and then has one last showdown with Billy. He falls over the edge, you know, goes through a hook or goes through the pole, get stabbed, and he dies. Yep. And more flashing lights yep, one more time. At least this time there was a silhould and like it casts a shadow up on the ceiling and it's kind of cool. Yeah, but every other time it's used it's trash. Yeah. Yeah, I could have I could have went without that hospital scene. But that feels like a mid two thousand's horror. It's so forced though, it is so forced. Oh absolutely, it doesn't make any sense. We're so far away from the original. It's crazy. And it's funny because we actually get further away from the original in two thousand and thine remake. But it might what nineteen yes, sorry, it might be better than this one. So that's one that I haven't seen since it came out, So that's when I definitely need to rework it. Might it might be a better movie, but it's way further away from Black Christmas than this is. But it's not good. It's still trash. I don't know. Actually, once I watched it again because I haven't watched since twenty nineteen as well. Yeah, I have to rewatch it because it's Dodoo. It's Dodo just like this movie Do Doo. I tell you what though it does for me, it does have that that that charm. I didn't get enough of it. I d like the movie, the movie it I liked it. It was a bad movie, absolutely, And usually I. Can do what you did and I can buy into the two thousands remakes. At this one, I don't know what it was. Man, it was pissing me off the whole time. I just I hated everything about it. That could have been because you just watched the og. It had it had to be something like it was. Just it was crazy to me that even all these people I like, like Katie Cassidy, I love, I just thick all of the characters suck, all of them it was dude, the boyfriend, and like, so he's sleeping with Megan and he was sleeping with Kelly, and he slept with another chick whose video was on Megan's laptop, not Kelly. And why was. Hold on because Meghan? Because Kelly goes to Meghan's door un tells her come down for president. She was being a bitch to Kelly. Is she just doing that because she found out Kyle was cheating on her? Because I thought it was Kelly in the video at first, and I was like, oh, that's why Meghan's mad at Kelly. And they even say, like Kelly was saying she was being a bitch to me. She never does that. It was like, yeah, ah, but it's not Kelly in the video. It's another chick. And he didn't up. Someone took his tapes and uploaded them. I think he I think he's just I think he's uploading it. I think he's being the amateur porn star there. Just he sucked. He was terrible. Yeah, not only I actually think his performance was bad too, which is weird. It's Oliver Hudson and then yeah, and then they just shoe horn him in. He's like, I know the story because I live here, don't here's the story. You dun't just never you just you come and go, oh you won you call them dumb bitches like five times, like damn. He's like, I know the story. Here's the story. Yeah, but incest see you later and fuck you bitches, dumb bitches, And that leaves. Yeah, if you had to rate it, what would you ride this, dude low? Like two or three? Like awful? It was awful. I'm I'm between a three and a three and a half just because I enjoy it as a movie, It's probably it's probably like a two and a half. I was. I was shocked at how much I didn't like it because I recall enjoying it, and then I was going off of, hey, somebody thinks this is better than the original, and there was a threat of people agreeing. I'm like, Okay, certainly it can't be that bad. They can stop though, Yeah, they can chill it, dude. From for my personal enjoyment, I'm throwing it at three and a half. But I just problem, I think, what's really like, Yes, the backstory and the incests and all that crap is awful, but you can kind of look pass it if you had anything likable at all, because like there's the same kind of shitty stuff happens in Prom Night, not to this degree, but there's a lot of dumb backstory in prom nine, but they at least those characters still feel likable. You get likable characters. All Every single sorority girl in this movie sucks. They all suck. They're all stereotypical, they're all bitchy, and it's like that's exactly what Bob Clark didn't want. I can't even believe Bob Clark produced it, I guess. I mean, he's an executive producer, so just you know, take the money. When did he die because he was he got killed by a drunk driver twenty. Ten, two thousand nine, year later, two thousand and seven, thousand and seven. Yeah, yeah, interesting, But I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure his name was just done and I'm sure he had nothing to do with it, because I don't know if he how he felt about it. I want to know how involved Roy Moore was in writing it. Couldn't be couldn't be very He's. Okay, so he's listed as a writer, but it says nineteen seventy four screenplay so it's not like based on characters by Okay, I don't No, it's not involved, got it? Okay? Good? I don't understand, like dude, Roy Moore would fucking hate this, like well, this is against his original image completely. Yeah, so yeah, I uh yeah, I hate it. It feels bad because I don't recall. Hating it that much. I said, I fell into those fell into those late two thousand's shitty, but have a lot of fun with him horror movies. I just couldn't like anybody, man, I don't know, I just because usually I like somebody. I didn't even like Kelly. I can't like Katie Cassie I even like her and imern elm Street. So what happened? What happened here? Huh xmuths xmuths. Yeah, yeah, that's a that's that. That's a Black christ two thousand and six. It's bad. I don't recommend it. Watch your original, but we'll be back on Christmas Day covering Black Christmas twenty nineteen. Send me a great time. Any great time might be better than this, might be worse. I honestly don't remember. I really don't remember look of it. Yeah, I don't remember I remember doctor Gordon, I do remember Cary. I remember doctor Gordon in there there. Yeah, yeah, good times. But uh hey, if you Jorde's episode, make sure you drop a light leave a rating wherever you're listening. Appreciate it helps out. Five star rating helps the show grow. But with that, as. Always, thank you guys, what for listening, and we'll talk to you next time. Bye. Don't hide your rise from the movie screens, dontcheries from the horror screens. Hall of Fame for Villains, watch them take about the slasher. Has no doubt they'll go all out to make every death count